Simply the best Iraq war poster!

Aww, you pro-war people sure know who the enemy is!

and what does iraq gotta do with 9/11? Ignorance is bliss ain't it?

IRAQ had nothing to do with 9/11. Every US and world intelligence agency has told you this for years. Even the man responsible has said so himself.

Try again, oh vengeful one. 600,000 INNOCENT (albeit brown and "different") lives for 3000? How do you sleep at night?

There is nothing, nothing more dangerous than human ignorance.

edit: Even the man responsible for the Iraq War has said so himself.

can't blame the guy! when you watch foxnews 24x7, this is what you get

How about people that know better but still don't do anything? That is worse in my opinion.

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers

I have respect for that 30% that voted for Bush and still support him. I have no respect for that 20% that voted for him the second time, knowing exactly what they were getting, then say they disapprove of his leadership and the Bushnam War. What was in the mind of that 20% when they went to the polls? They are the ones with blood on their hands.

600,000? If you are going to throw out numbers, at least have them close.

I ain't for the iraq war either, but c'mon. You can at least try to have some legitimacy.

Define innocent. Granted, I agree that there is next to zero chance of them being responsible for 9/11, but innocent is not an all-encompassing term. Not killing my neighbor doesn't mean I didn't rob a bank, or do something equally wrong, and from your comments it sounds like you believe all we do in Iraq is wander around killing "innocent" people. Go look up the Rules Of Engagement for OIF. We are not allowed to shoot unless we are being shot at or have a weapon pointed directly at us. We do not just kill random Iraqis, on the contrary, we normally try to detain them and turn them over to the Iraqi government when they have committed a crime, not just kill them. The ones that have been killed, 99% of the time, were killed for attempting to kill Americans that aren't overjoyed to be there in the first place and are just trying to do their jobs, or for trying to kill each other. Go spend 15 months in a desert with people shooting at you and attempting to blow you up constantly and see if your opinion of "innocence" changes.

SGT Newitt

more people have lost sons in iraq -- a country which had absolutely nothing at all to do with 9/11.

nice try, retard.

Yup. Joining the army to fight a war which is creating more terrorists, in a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, is a great way to remember the people that died that day.

Current Confirmed US Fatalities in IRAQ: 3885 (http://icasualties.org/oif/BY_DOD.aspx)
Confirmed Fatalities from 9/11: 2974 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks)

If I asked every person who lost a son in 9/11 whether they would want 3885 more sons to be lost in IRAQ, I think the answer would be a pretty resounding NO.

Ever thought of joining? Talk to someone who joined volunteerily.

No one has been drafted for this war. No one. I served my time. I joined well before 9/11. BEFORE 9/11 !!

NOT ONE SOLDIER WAS DRAFTED FOR THIS WAR!!!

What did you think your son was joining, The boy scouts?

The sad fact that our youth joined the military VOLUNTARILY to defend our country, yet were SWINDLED by our corrupt administration to defend corporate interests only highlights the many injustices of this war.

When you join the military you put trust in the nations leaders that you would not be fighting for an unjust reason. This regime has placed us in a war where we have been a force akin to Japan bombing Pearl Harbor and the Nazi's invading Poland. Iraq, Pearl Harbor, Poland...All preemptive in the name of "national security". Bush wants to add Iran to that list.

I wouldn't blame the son for joining. You join because it's a safe job. You join because you believe it's the best military in the world. You join because you think you're defending freedom and fighting for good. It would be great if it was true, but the sad truth is that they are being used as tools to make the rich and powerful more rich and powerful. Freedom? Liberty? Doing what's right? Bush may say they are fighting for all that, but we know. We have seen just how sinister his real motives are. The nation's trust has been betrayed.

Why are we paying Blackwater Security and other private security contractors for what the US Military should be fully capable of doing? Dig deeper and you run across the question, why are private security firms getting paid more than a soldier in the field? They do the same job and are from the same country.

Dig deeper and look at the incentives other than the pay and "honor" the military gives you. They have made America so poor and enslaved that for FAR TOO MANY families have no way to send their children to higher education without the assistance of the GI Bill. Too many kids in the military joined because it was virtually their only option to obtaining a better life.

Way to make a complete ass out of yourself by trying to use 'convincing words' that you thought would make everyone backtrack and go against this poster.

Logic > Keywords any day.

Surely you should understand that allowing people die for meaningless causes is a bad thing? Of all people

/// Anon: Iraq had *nothing* to do with 9/11 Fri, 2007-12-07 16:31.
IRAQ had nothing to do with 9/11. Every US and world intelligence agency has told you this for years. Even the man responsible has said so himself.
Try again, oh vengeful one. 600,000 INNOCENT (albeit brown and "different") lives for 3000? How do you sleep at night?
There is nothing, nothing more dangerous than human ignorance.///

It's funny how the world has known this at has only recently dawned on the majority of Americans in recent years. If the majority of the U.S. population opened its eyes, listened instead of just hearing, discussed the merits of bombing Iraq by leaving emotions at the doorstep, and at least believed that the rest of the world thought was a wrong Washington target, the U.S. would have given real justice to the victims of 9/11. Saddam was a dictator and a terrorist in his own right, but to his neighbors and his people. He and Bin Laden hated each others' guts. And both are monsters created by America for America's own interests -- and not necessarily for the interest of its citizens well-being and quality of life.

///Uh huh Posted by Anonymous on Fri, 2007-12-07 19:02.
What I find appallingly stupid is your belief that the country is made safer through fighting the war in Iraq. Could we not have bolstered our borders with the enormous resources we've spent so far in Iraq? Tell me, what security lapses can you think of that we cannot solve with $475 billion dollars?

We're not debating the reason for war with the Taliban in Afghanistan. Public support was phenomenally high for the president, and rightfully so. Its the war with Iraq that's at issue, stupid.

Your thoughts on how the military is "containing" the violence in Iraq is alarmingly naive. You seem to believe there is a finite number of hard core extremists, and if we take out all of them, they wont come back. What you fail to realize is that our military intervention is fostering this hatred, so unless there is genocide, they'll keep coming. Read this section again until it sinks in...///

Sometimes, because America deliberately turns off its capacity to understand the plight of others and dons of the suit of Superman of the world, the results are even more catastrophic. Don't forget Vietnam (not that I want to steer the topic off). America's unpreparedness for war -- Vietnam, Iran, Afghanistan -- wasn't in might and metal for sure. It was, and always is, the unpreparedness for consequences. It was, and is, that the reason for going to war was tainted with greed for power (Vietnam) and wealth (Iraq). The Bush-Rumsfeld-Cheney administration salivated on Iraq's oil reserve the minute George W sat in the oval office. 9/11 was their door of opportunity to pry Iraq open.

/// Anon: Iraq had *nothing* to do with 9/11 Fri, 2007-12-07 16:31.
IRAQ had nothing to do with 9/11. Every US and world intelligence agency has told you this for years. Even the man responsible has said so himself.
Try again, oh vengeful one. 600,000 INNOCENT (albeit brown and "different") lives for 3000? How do you sleep at night?
There is nothing, nothing more dangerous than human ignorance.///

It's funny how the world has known this at has only recently dawned on the majority of Americans in recent years. If the majority of the U.S. population opened its eyes, listened instead of just hearing, discussed the merits of bombing Iraq by leaving emotions at the doorstep, and at least believed that the rest of the world thought was a wrong Washington target, the U.S. would have given real justice to the victims of 9/11. Saddam was a dictator and a terrorist in his own right, but to his neighbors and his people. He and Bin Laden hated each others' guts. And both are monsters created by America for America's own interests -- and not necessarily for the interest of its citizens well-being and quality of life.

///Uh huh Posted by Anonymous on Fri, 2007-12-07 19:02.
What I find appallingly stupid is your belief that the country is made safer through fighting the war in Iraq. Could we not have bolstered our borders with the enormous resources we've spent so far in Iraq? Tell me, what security lapses can you think of that we cannot solve with $475 billion dollars?

We're not debating the reason for war with the Taliban in Afghanistan. Public support was phenomenally high for the president, and rightfully so. Its the war with Iraq that's at issue, stupid.

Your thoughts on how the military is "containing" the violence in Iraq is alarmingly naive. You seem to believe there is a finite number of hard core extremists, and if we take out all of them, they wont come back. What you fail to realize is that our military intervention is fostering this hatred, so unless there is genocide, they'll keep coming. Read this section again until it sinks in...///

Sometimes, because America deliberately turns off its capacity to understand the plight of others and dons of the suit of Superman of the world, the results are even more catastrophic. Don't forget Vietnam (not that I want to steer the topic off). America's unpreparedness for war -- Vietnam, Iran, Afghanistan -- wasn't in might and metal for sure. It was, and always is, the unpreparedness for consequences. It was, and is, that the reason for going to war was tainted with greed for power (Vietnam) and wealth (Iraq). The Bush-Rumsfeld-Cheney administration salivated on Iraq's oil reserve the minute George W sat in the oval office. 9/11 was their door of opportunity to pry Iraq open.

Wrong enemy.

What do you live in a cave? I guess you missed the memo. God helps us all.

Bush went to a school, asked in the class room
"Anyone having any question "
Bill: " I am having 2 questions
1. why was the iraq war
2. where iS Bin Laden "

Recess bell rang and Bush says " Oh , I will join you after recess "

in next period Bush asked
" So where were we ? "
Jack gets stand up and asked " I am having 4 questions
1. why was the iraq war
2. where is Bin Laden
3. why bell rangs before the scheduled time
4. WHERE IS BILL "

Toast is terrible for you. It is full of wheat flour and gluten.

what is this? some kind of CIA encrypted message??

Are you still on the Aitken's diet?

Iraq was a contained, secular country. Sure, Saddam was a fascist but that's what it takes in that region right now. If you want to talk about Islamic fascism, talk about Iran and Saudi Arabia.

As far as Libya goes, they want to join the international community mostly for economic reasons, not because they're scared of us. If anything, a long, expensive military engagement makes us LESS able to defend ourselves and project our influence globally.

When I was in Desert Storm, we all wondered why the hell we didn't push all the way to Baghdad and just topple the sumbitch. Apparently the People In Charge knew that it would be a big, terrible mess even with the support of the world behind us. Now that they have their puppet president, they let their greed override any concern about international opinion or the cost in human lives and treasure.

"Peace pimps?" "Appalling stupid?" "Islamic fascism?" Obviously being a veteran doesn't make you brilliant. Keep on cheer leading for Bush and Fox, buddy. BTW, we "peace pimps" are not anti-American nor anti-troops. In fact we love the troops so much that we want to take them out of harms way and prevent them from dying and being maimed for a lie. Moreover, we see that this war is a sham perpetrated not by troops, but by power hungry corrupt politicians willing to sell out our country and military for their twisted agenda. Furthermore, "Islamic fascism" is simply a codename for "people that disagree with us," given by the Administration to freek everybody out and to perpetuate its failed policies. So, while I respect you for your service, I disagree with your opinions.

Obviously the fact that you can type doesn't make you brilliant either. Peace pimps, appeasers or whatever your moniker you cannot support the troops unless you support their mission. This crap you spout about wanting to bring them home so they don't get hurt is a huge sign of the fact that you have no clue about what our fighting man is about and why we are involved in this conflict.

I suggest you delve into the history of this country, the history of Islam and it fanatics for the last 1300 years, the war with Iran which is coming up on 30 .

People can disagree all they want but when you or your progeny are confronted with Sharia Law talk to them about disagreement and see what kind of response you get. Here are a few HOLY quotes from various Islamic texts that might or in your case might not enlighten you:

Quran 4:89: "They (infidels) desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper."

Quran 8:12: "Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers;"

Quran 2:191: "... kill the disbelievers wherever we find them …"

Quran 22:19-22: "… for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods."

Quran 8:12: "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.'"

Quran 8:7: "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"

Quran 8:59: "The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy."

Quran 8:60: "Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah, and others besides them not known to you."

Quran 9.29" "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."

Quran 47:4: "Strike off the heads of the disbelievers" and, after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives."

Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6985): "Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: 'The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.'"

Quran 9:5: "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Sura 3:151: "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers for that they joined companions with Allah for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the fire; and evil is the home of the wrong-doers!"

Sura 8:60: "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power including steeds of war to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides whom ye may not know but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you and ye shall not be treated unjustly."

Tabari IX:113: "Allah permits you to shut them (women) in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Quran."

Tabari I:280: "Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid."

Ishaq:327: "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"

If you read the bible (or the scriptures of any Abrahamic religion, for that matter) you will see the exact same rhetoric as in the Koran.

Since you obviously can't understand what you read anyway, judging by your literal interpretation of everything you read and the feverish blithering of your comments, kindly bugger off back to Iraq so they can have a fair shot at you and your kind.

The three main monotheistic faiths do all have the same messages about killing nonbelievers and spreading the good news through a holy blood orgy of sorts, but the only one of those faiths that hasn't moved past the fifth century and stopped interpreting that message literally is fundamental Islam. The primary message of fundamental Islam is to live by the literal word of Allah. That's the problem with these people, and that's why we're still in the middle east fighting them. Every loss or death for them is seen as a test to which they must muster their strength and overcome. The harder we push the fundamentalists the harder they push back. The question isn't whether or not we should fight a war against them or not, either way we lose. The real question is how do we combat the increasing ignorance of our world as a whole and allow people to peaceably coexist despite their differences. Basically the only solution to problems in the middle east is to cut off our dependency on middle eastern oil supplies and cut our losses by getting the hell out of dodge. Let them blow each other back to the stone age, as soon as we're not dependent on them any more they'll leave us alone. You have to realize that oil is the only reason we're involved with that part of the world. Africa has been ravaged by genocides and civil unrest for decades, but not surprisingly minimal attention has been paid to that part of the world. Why is that? Africa has nothing that the western world desires, so why would we give a crap if they blow one to pieces with IEDs and RPGs. We American's sit so smugly in our comfortable homes and watch CNN or Fox News and get a warm fuzzy feeling when we read about some little boy reunited with his daddy back from Iraq, and we should, but we neglect the thousands of Americans that die weekly from starvation and the millions living below the poverty line. We cry about the few thousand Americans lost in Iraq and neglect the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis that have died. We preach the gospel of liberty and the prosperity of the land of the free yet our government does virtually nothing because partisanship has caused governing officials to become so obsessed with not allowing the "other side" victory that they will decline a perfectly good and beneficial bill just for the sake of agreement. The war in the middle east isn't the problem, it's just the most recent manifestation of the perpetually declining intelligence and social conscience of our culture. It's time for America to get a clue. There's a reason that terrorists want to kill us. It's not because we're infidels or because we don't respect other cultures of the world, it's because we're so self centered and have our heads so far up our asses that the thought of allowing us to come into their homes and "save" them makes them sick. Who would want to be associated with the kind of filth that our society dreams up, much less saved by us? We are the world's most prosperous nation, yet we have rampant obesity and malnutrition side by side. We have the best designed public school system in the world, yet it is floundering because some jackasses would rather have a football team than math class. (that's a great way to prepare your child for a successful life dumbass, now he can live in a double wide right next to you and you can both complain about everyone "having it easier than you", because finishing high school doesn't mean anything because we live in the land of prosperity) Why are we so concerned with Iraq and Iran and all of the other middle eastern Islamic bullshit. They don't want us telling them what to do, and honestly we aren't doing a great job running our own country anyway. Perhaps instead of spending another $100 billion dollars of "stabilizing" Iraq we should spend it on public schools, or maybe social security, or I don't know I think that I heard that our national debt was so high they had to make up a new number to classify it because no one had ever counted that high. How about people just educate themselves and think about the world beyond their HD plasma screen.

Yes I am an Idiot. And I will willingly go put my ass on the line in Iraq so you can continue to spew your elitist drivel. Your simplistic view of the Bible vs the Quran and how you equivocate all religions speaks volumes about the lack of any sort of comprehension of what the world faces. Of course you would never understand the fact that this is not a worldly battle and that your secular humanist views blind you to what is actually at stake.

Thank you for clearing up the fact that I cannot comprehend what I read. I also did not know that I am a literalist again my thanks to you for pointing that out.

It is amazing your powers of perception from only one post. You probably are not paid enough for what you do.

Having lived in 3 different countries (one Christian, one Muslim and one multi-religious) for decades, I am slightly more qualified to discuss religion than some sweaty grunt who shoots people because some other sweaty grunt tells him to. You appear to be quite a simpleton if you are willing to put your "arse on the line..." to "protect" people like myself by essentially disgusting most of the world with your arguably genocidal behaviour.

I promise not to distract you by writing any more if you promise to immediately return to Iraq, where, with any luck, you can be exterminated by the other semi-literate believers in Abrahamic religions ever so slightly different from yours.

I may not be paid enough for what I do, but you'd always be overpaid, whatever you do, assuming you actually do anything? No, wait...please don't answer that - just go to Iraq...now.

Mayor of Simpleton if you please. Once again your powers of perception are beyond compare. Obviously you are elevated to deification with your estimable background and intellect. It must be very difficult for you to leave sight of a mirror. I bow to your over arching powers. Please let me gaze upon your countenance so I may bow and proclaim myself unworthy to even use the electrons that I selfishly waste to type this. Forgive me please!!!!!

Sorry had to leave and do my genocidals for today. Must be up to 50 by now just since breakfast. Trying to get up into the 500K+ category then I would be in Saddam territory but they wont unlock the cabinet where the ricin is stored so I guess it will be ones and twos for the time being. Haven't been exterminated yet sorry to disappoint.

I wonder are we all semi-literte litered uhh stupid I mean all us 2.5+ billion Abrahamic followers? Love the broad brush strokes kinda defines who you are eh...

Also nice touch with the wish for my demise, just shows your phenomenal love for your fellow man and the derogatory about grunt's, a true sign of your superiority over the lowly unwashed that you so despise. Sorry we are such a burden to your ilk.

What I find appallingly stupid is your belief that the country is made safer through fighting the war in Iraq. Could we not have bolstered our borders with the enormous resources we've spent so far in Iraq? Tell me, what security lapses can you think of that we cannot solve with $475 billion dollars?

We're not debating the reason for war with the Taliban in Afghanistan. Public support was phenomenally high for the president, and rightfully so. Its the war with Iraq that's at issue, stupid.

Your thoughts on how the military is "containing" the violence in Iraq is alarmingly naive. You seem to believe there is a finite number of hard core extremists, and if we take out all of them, they wont come back. What you fail to realize is that our military intervention is fostering this hatred, so unless there is genocide, they'll keep coming. Read this section again until it sinks in.

Iran backed down on nukes? Have you read the NIE report stating this was abandoned in 2003? Surely you dont believe the posturing from the administration had anything to do with it? Funny how Bush knew about it and decided to play along, stringing it for all its worth for the next 4 years...

What we have here is a stolen election used to further a political agenda that benefits no one except corporate interests and the republican elite.

What we need is the man in the yellow hat to take the chimp back home.

"The war on terror is being won. 9/11 isn't the issue. Islamic fascism is."

You seem to be saying that "if we weren't fighting them over there, we would be fighting them over here".

Because if I were an Islamic terrorist, the last place I would go would be Iraq. Why have an entire army to fight? That isn't the point of terrorism anyway. No, I would get on a flight to the US, and commit an act of terrorism.

That hasn't happened. Why? Are these "Islamic terrorists" too stupid to think of that? Can't they afford plane tickets? Don't you see how foolish your idea is at root?

There isn't a horde of terrorists rushing to attack us. There are lots of Iraqis whos country has been invaded on a whim though, and they just want us out of there - and lots of Afghanis as well. You have been conned into thinking that these people have got something to do with 911. They haven't.

Please look up "useful idiot" on the internet. You have been so caught up by the con that you can't see how foolish the premise really is.

You are a special kind of stupid. Read a fucking book. You protect us from nothing. There is no threat.

OK, so let's get this straight: Our Mr. Bush holds up a boogeyman and says "Boo!" You are so terrorized that you grab a gun and go off to kill boogeymen. Only it turns out that there was no boogeyman after all, just a weak army defending its own soil, and a bunch of "good ole boys" much like yourself who are determined to drive a foreign occupier out of their country.

You signed on, and whether or not you murdered innocent men, women, and children yourself, you certainly continue to support the killing now. Maybe you couldn't live with yourself if you let yourself see the truth - every flag-waving pro-war veteran I ever knew had that same problem. Others U.S. veterans cope via suicide - roughly 120 a week, lately. Working to end this war is the one and only sane way to "support our troops".

Maybe it's best that you don't allow yourself to see what you have done, and become. Your fear-driven delusional beliefs about terrorists may be the only thing keeping you alive. But how many more pointless deaths and mutilations are you wiling to endorse? How many American soldiers would you kill, to prop up your belief that what you did was right and necessary?

yeah as gay as foley, larry craig, ted haggard, condi and other closet republicans preaching 'family values'.

You know what i think is sad? that you nerds think that typing your angry little words in these boxes does anything. YOU DOn'T LIKE WHATS GOING ON? LEAVE THE INTERNET AND SCREAM YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF ABOUT IT TO ANYONE WHO WILL LISTEN. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF THIS DEAR ABBY BACK AND FOURTH GARBAGE. THE GOVERNMENT DOSENT CARE IF YOU USE THE FIRST AMENDMENT AS LONG AS IT'S IN A "FREE SPEEH ZONE" LIKE THIS BULLSHIT.

Touched a nerve there eh?
Mr Bigot didn't like that...